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Ortak atalarının olup olmadığı sorgulanıyor whether ile. Which olsa ortak atalarının kesin olduğu anlamı çıkardı.

Burada aslında bir noun clause var,

the idea that
the belief that
the news that
the fact that
the prediction that
the discovery that
the fear that
the knowledge that
the proposal that
the suggestion that
the rumour that
the promise that
the suspicion that

bu gibi soyut kavramları açıklayan noun clauselarda which olmaz, aynı şekilde reduction olarak that atılamaz.

(That den sonra tam cümle geliyor özne+yüklem+nesne oradan da noun clause olduğunu çıkarabilirsiniz)

anladım :) çok teşekkür ederim.

Which kullanılır. Google'a the idea which yazın sonuçları görün. Orada anlam ayrımı var.

anlam ayrımı?

Yani maymunlarla insanların ortak ataları var mı yok mu tartışılan o. Which getirirseniz cümle insan ve maymunların ortak atasının olduğunu anlatır.

Yani var mı yok mu whether ile. Ortak atanın olduğu which ile verilir.

Benim yazdıklarım açıklayıcı noun clauselar, burada da adj. değil noun clause olduğu için ve tam cümle olduğu için which olması mümkün değil.

ancak ajd. clause olarak tanımlama yapılırsa google'da elbette sonuç çıkar.

Anlamla alakası yok; @hayal hava yollari bu konu ''appositive noun clause'' olarak geçiyor; restrictive ya da non-restrictive olarak daha fazla örneklerine ulaşmanız mümkün.

Şunu kopyalıyorum daha fazla yararlanmanız için:

Appositive clauses look a great deal like relative clauses. Analyze the following examples: what kind of word is the clause attached to? what is the original sentence that the clause was created from?

#1: appositive clause: I like the idea that students can become independent learners.

1. The clause is attached to a noun--the idea.
2. The underlying sentence is: Students can become independent learners.


#2: relative clause: Students who become independent learners can continue to learn after they leave our classes.

1. The clause is attached to a noun--students
2. The underlying sentence is: Students become independent learners.

Based on that analysis, how are these two subordinate clause types different?

A relative clause includes in its internal structure the same noun that it attaches to. The relative pronoun means the same thing as the noun that the clause is attached to; the relative pronoun has a grammatical role that combines being a connector with a role in the syntax of its clause.

An appositive clause does not include the noun that it attaches to; the appositive clause is like a linking verb--or an equal sign: the idea = students can become independent learners. The connector that just connects the clause to the noun without playing any internal role in the clause.


Appositive clauses can be related to particulate verbs and their noun clause direct objects:

I believe that students can become independent learners.

The belief that students can become independent learners is common among teachers.

I know that students can become independent learners.

Our knowledge that students can become independent learners drives our work.

I feel that students can become independent learners.

My feeling that students can become independent learners is shared by many other teachers.

Grammarians and linguists refer to this process of changing a verb to a noun as nominalization. Notice how the nominalized version has the same grammatical feature as the verb version--the noun clause of the verb version becomes the appositive clause of the noun version.

When analyzing authentic samples, just be careful not to jump to the conclusion that every noun + that combination is a relative clause. Nouns like idea, belief, thought, knowledge, and a few others are often followed by appositive clauses.

Test your knowledge by deciding which of these sentences has an appositive clause and which has a relative clause.

The idea that I shared with my students comes from many years of teaching experience.

The idea that we must work together as a team guides our department's work.

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Çok teşekkürler :)